I was beginning to think that I needed to seriously re-evaluate how I approach male students. I was thinking maybe I am not good at the one-on-one with them?
In grad school, I was "given" one male undergrad and two female undergrads at various times. The two female undergrads are on papers I published; the male undergrad was somewhat inept. And the situation with him was one in which my PhD advisor actually handled it in a way that benefited me by essentially pawning him off on a lecturer in the department who was doing some research in our lab at the time. [As an aside, she never talked to the lecturer or me about it, she just directed his project so that it made sense for him to go to the lecturer with questions.]
When I was a TA in a lab course, I had great teaching moments with students. In retrospect, those with the male students tended to be with the "nerdy" kids. But it is easy to be excited about science when interacting with students who are already excited about science! And I had a student in introductory lab who I later TA'ed in an upper level lab and he and I would joke around. (He was a senior and I told him it was not fair that I had him as a freshman, now he was graduating and I was not. That was a funny moment.)
So I start my post-doc and I "get" an (male) undergrad right away. We talk about the project, the mutant we need to characterize and the one technique, from start to finish, that I want the undergrad to learn. We did everything together over the semester, with him doing all of the hands-on stuff and me giving him tips from my own experience before he would start something. We talk about his results and experimental and biological explanations for what he sees. He does okay with this, but it would help if he had read the three papers I asked him to read a couple of months earlier...
Then I went away for two weeks. So that he was all set to do one complete round of the experiment that we had gone through together multiple times ("To include in a publication!!!!" I tell him), we talk about all the details like incubation temperatures (an why), how to set up the samples so that there will be sample left over when I get back for him to use with a new technique (how exciting, right!!!!), and we write it down. When I get back, none of the detailed protocol changes that we wrote down ahead of time are documented in his notebook, he has funky results, and he used the entire sample. So for a publication I would need to repeat the experiment. Seriously, I think the only thing I could have done differently was to have him write those plans down again to really get them in his head.
So I am essentially 0-2 on the male undergrads. Now, though, I am supervising one PhD rotation and half supervising a master's student research course, both male. So far so good. I gave the PhD student the start of a working protocol and asked him to fill in the rest (which he hasn't done, but with his experience and being a PhD student, I am leaving that up to him to figure out...is that wrong?); the master's student just started yesterday, but we have already had some good conversation (science and non). I have my fingers crossed.
[Now, I think I have high expectations as a teacher, but am patient unless I feel disrespected. I have good conversation moments with my undergrad now, but they are never when we are in teacher-student mode. The female undergrads I worked with both had different requirements - one was more hands-on and one more independent, but it worked out. Do I need a new frame-of-mind, and not just different managing and teaching techniques, for male undergrads?]
4 comments:
hmmmmmm....
I"m wondering about respect issues here (if they respect you enough to do what you say). For the recent situation with the Ph.D. candidate, are your instructions coming across as "suggestions" - in which case he may feel like he can choose to ignore them.
It seems like with your undergrad that you were superivising when you went on your trip, you were completely clear about what was expected. From the way you describe it, he should understand that there was no wiggle room for choosing to follow or not follow your instructions.
I've seen a lot of issues in labs with guys who are overly cocky and think they know everything. It seems 10x worse when they are paired with a woman.
I'm not answering, and I'm not attempting to answer, your specific questions. I think I'd need more info. But those are my thoughts about some of the explanations that can arise in labs when dealing with male advisees and coworkers.
Danielle, I actually think the grad student will be okay. He has completely absorbed himself in a particular paper for a few days (literally), so I told him to stop reading it and move on for a bit yesterday. :-)
The undergrad, well, I really don't know about him. I suspect as he wants to go to med school, his "interest" in lab is related to his applications. :-( I actually called him out on it too, suggesting if that was the only reason he was here he should not be here (after he was late and not being cooperative towards the end of the semester). I really try to be straightforward with him, but it doesn't work! I ask him his schedule, I tell him to let me know when it is exam time and he will not be in lab as much, I tell him to write things down so he remembers, I try to work with him to come up with effective ways for him to work more independently so that his schedule is more flexible. My PIs only addition to how I have dealt with him is to make sure all of this is not a result of him overextending himself (i.e. taking more credits because after a certain point you do not have to pay for them anymore). I try to think the best and not assume it is an issue of me being a youngish female supervisor. Maybe I should just tell him I'm old? ;-)
How's that for a long response to your non-answer. ;-)
My advice, based on my mood is to be straightforward and hard ass. Some people will never respect someone, anyone, unless they break their balls first. Maybe it's a testosterone thing, but if they disregard what you tell them to do they should feel the heat afterwards or they will never learn. Or worse they will assume they can just do whatever they want and life just owes them for the mere fact that they exist.
If that technique seems harsh then the opposite is to promise them some form of nudity if they follow all the instructions to the letter.... what can I say men are only motivated by two things....
Ron, K. I'll try the grandma clothes and hard ass. If that doesn't work, I will go with cleavage and distraction. Thanks! :-)
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